tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post1382531773118845835..comments2023-05-24T23:33:57.516+10:00Comments on My Unwelcome Stranger: On Jay Rosen and wicked problemsDenis Wrighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-85989495054396870402012-07-21T09:58:26.739+10:002012-07-21T09:58:26.739+10:00Tom: first of all, many thanks for this: I can'...Tom: first of all, many thanks for this: I can't believe it's 2 weeks since you wrote it. I was waiting to respond until I had read what I could on decision support modelling and morphological analysis, because I hadn't the foggiest idea what they could be! <br /><br />But now I have, and I'm amazed at what can be applied to what when it's done in a sequence like this. Once I understood that 'Morphological analysis is simply an ordered way of looking at things' and the technique here, it fell into place. I also read what was offered as a freebee on the process and it was far more intelligible to me.<br /><br />That having been said, I read and understand the text far better than the illustrative material. My eyes glaze over with graphs and stats and many types of diagrams. I admit I struggled with them. It's a failing of mine. But Zwicky's text, <i>that</i> makes sense to me.<br /><br />Thanks again.Denis Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-8040803075906429822012-07-18T08:42:30.513+10:002012-07-18T08:42:30.513+10:00Re: Wicked Problems, you might like to know about ...Re: Wicked Problems, you might like to know about this recent publication:<br /><br />“Wicked Problems – Social Messes: Decision support Modelling with Morphological Analysis”. Springer, 2011.<br /><br />You can see a description at:<br /><br />http://www.springer.com/business+%26+management/technology+management/book/978-3-642-19652-2<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Tom R.<br />SweMorphTom R.http://www.swemorph.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-70457193366741133452012-07-01T00:39:30.259+10:002012-07-01T00:39:30.259+10:00When one big investor has a sizable chunk against ...When one big investor has a sizable chunk against the bits held by others, then they soon start acting like Rover. Or Lassie!Denis Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-66258864748147648292012-06-29T23:06:02.925+10:002012-06-29T23:06:02.925+10:00as i read your responses i am wondering which is t...as i read your responses i am wondering which is the dog and which is the tail … at first glance it would seem self-evident, but if your figure of less than 20% rings true, it might be time for a rethink. never a bad thing! xttraceyb65https://www.blogger.com/profile/08109018150566511128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-18400004384893833992012-06-29T22:46:30.297+10:002012-06-29T22:46:30.297+10:00OK - I have had time to look at it properly. It...OK - I have had time to look at it properly. It's a fascinating mix of groundroots and representative democracy, and a great experiment. Still, alarm bells are going off in my head for various reasons, as the Party gets more and more institutionalised. But who knows, it may be self-regulated just enough to stop its being exploited by smart operators over time.<br /><br />I remember the Greens here in Australia used to do this grassroots thing with its members - they may still do for all I know, but I do know it had very little value as a tool of grassroots decision-making. In the real world here of representative democracy, politics is about deals and compromise and less and less about ideals.<br /><br />I wish the liquid democracy idea well, but it will be interesting to see whether in the end it will turn out to be just another party.Denis Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-47557037789130860402012-06-29T21:05:09.660+10:002012-06-29T21:05:09.660+10:00Fair comment, Denis. There seems to be a critical ...Fair comment, Denis. There seems to be a critical mass - tipping point with public opinion and I suspect it is surprisingly low - possibly less that 20% (which is what Gina Rhinehardt needs to control Fairfax). I still try explain how it was that the fall of the Berlin Wall, the end of apartheid and the Mabo judgement all took place within three years ... after so many years. A seemingly disconnected group of events in different parts of the world, sharing a similar theme, suddenly becoming resolved.Bob Lakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-3982002570911596392012-06-29T18:07:15.876+10:002012-06-29T18:07:15.876+10:00Just acknowledging this, Tom, with thanks. I will ...Just acknowledging this, Tom, with thanks. I will check it out and get back!Denis Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-13103181247739562242012-06-29T18:05:29.071+10:002012-06-29T18:05:29.071+10:00I understand what you're saying, Bob, all too ...I understand what you're saying, Bob, all too well, but I suspect you're thinking in the same way we have done for yonks about solutions – as if someone were going to collate and assess all these data and make decisions based on a document that's some sort of executive summary.<br /><br />That's not what it's about, if I have Rosen right. He talking about a sort of process of filtration of ideas – infiltration may be a better word. Ideas that change opinion. <br /><br />Look at how and what changed public opinion on the Vietnam War, e.g. It was immersion process that made changed Government decisions inevitable. The dog twisted the tail, as it should have.<br /><br />It's slow, and not all minds change, but one virtue of representative democracy is that when a policy smells of losing an election, then policy changes, or Governments do. But yes, it's a "wicked" problem. Rosen himself may disagree with my interpretation of his article. He didn't mention tribes in the way I did. <br /><br />So the problem unravels.Denis Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786035137418348609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-54360070493273697322012-06-29T14:31:34.007+10:002012-06-29T14:31:34.007+10:00When the first computers were coming in, we got a ...When the first computers were coming in, we got a university professor of whatever (an expert!) to set up our system. It was going to reduce staff and costs, as well as providing the company with more accurate information. Problem was, so much information was churned out that we had to take on extra staff to handle it, interpret it and assess it. They never caught up with the output in time, and we continued to fly by the seat of our pants.<br /><br />In the same way, if I want action from a politician, I never email him (or her to be PC). That person might get 1000 emails a day; nobody has time to read them. I write ... slow, but letters get answered.<br /><br />What I am saying is that the information is out there, the means of collecting it are available, but who could assess millions of opinions. And, to put it bluntly, what are a million inputs worth if they are coming from people who have not adequately informed themselves about the issues?<br /><br />To really question the proposal of mass-input to solve wicked problems ... a recent Internet poll showed that more than 80% of respondees wanted to control the number of illegal immigrants entering Australia. I would bet that a similar poll taken in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan would adopt in different viewpoint in larger numbers.<br /><br />I am utterly committed to democratic principles but, like you Denis, I don't have the answers. In England, once, you did not get a vote unless you were a 'potwalloper'. Today, the tail is twisting the dog. Is this a good thing? Only time will tell.Bob Lakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-25995651614328238452012-06-29T14:01:50.089+10:002012-06-29T14:01:50.089+10:00Sorry, the software is actually called Liquid Feed...Sorry, the software is actually called Liquid Feedback.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11153139536363455983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5722735165669239585.post-75698259950468339102012-06-29T13:56:12.214+10:002012-06-29T13:56:12.214+10:00You may find this interesting: http://www.communit...You may find this interesting: http://www.communitywiki.org/LiquidDemocracy<br /><br />It's a software platform currently used by Germany's Pirate Party to determine their policies; and it's being introduced by one of their regional governments for a 12 month trial:<br /><br />http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/22154/how-german-pirate-partys-liquid-democracy-worksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11153139536363455983noreply@blogger.com